"Real meaning of life...stuff" - Daniel Jackson
Friday, February 11, 2005

     I’ve been going through some stuff with people in my life lately, as you might have noticed from the Drama Queens rant of a few days ago (has it really just been a few days?).  Anyway, there’s not a bad person amongst the people whose problems I’ve witnessed from the perspective of a privileged friend.  Every last one of them is a good, decent, loving person.  Not one of them wishes to do another harm unjustly.  I am privileged to know every last one of them, and honored to have them call me friend.

     And I have learned something over the last couple of weeks…several things actually.

     One, I guess I should have known.  You know how I like to take those stupid internet quizzes and post the results up here on the blog?  Over and over and over again, the words “loyal” and “arrogant” came up.  Again and again and again.

     I joked to a friend of mine;  “What’s with the arrogant? On every single quiz?  I’m not arrogant…you don’t think I’m arrogant…do you?”

     He joked back, “noooo…maybe a little insecure, though.”

     Ha ha ha…

     News to both of us, the universe has offered me a booby prize in the form of a couple of really nice smack-downs.  I have discovered that I am, indeed, in the words of the worlds sexiest stuffy old Englishman on the Watcher’s council (yes, even dark Wesley…who, despite the insistence of half the women I know…just isn’t that hot) “A rank, arrogant amateur”.   Emphasis on arrogant, and don’t forget the pretentious pronunciation of “amateur”.

     I’ve always thought that one of the best ways to be a loyal friend was to speak the truth as I see it to my friends.  To tell them what I think and to not worry about what the consequences would be for me.  Not to worry that they would get mad at me, not to worry that they would leave me, not to worry that I’d be wrong and they would lose respect for me.

     The universe has shown me, through a number of different lesson plans, that it is the only true teacher, and that while I can sometimes be helpful, I should consider the consequences to the person I am speaking the truth to.  There are some lessons, for some people, for which the only proper teacher is the universe itself, and any meddling from mere mortals will only cause strife, anger and make things worse with little good to show for it.

     People’s behavior is the result of previous lessons, and the desire to avoid the consequences that taught them those behaviors.  If those behaviors lead to other unpleasant consequences…the cost might still not be enough to get them to change the behavior…because the remembered lessons are more ingrained…and as long as they work more often than not, there is no reason to learn new lessons.  So as much as I can look at someone and say “Ya know, you’d get a better result if you just did X,Y, or Z”…they might have very good reasons for not following my advice, that have nothing to do with the situation at hand.

     There are times when you just have to say “they’ll get it when they get it”, and that has to be good enough.  Or even, “the thing you’re trying to tell them isn’t the lesson they need.”

     And my personal favorite little gem I’m carrying away from the last three weeks is “Just because you think you need someone to get something, doesn’t mean that they actually need to get it.”

     As long as they are in balance and at peace with the results they have gotten…then I need to be OK with that, or be somewhere else. 

     Wow…it seems so simple and obvious in retrospect.  You wouldn’t think I’d have needed quite that hard of a rap on the head…nor that many in such rapid succession to “get” it…would you?

  I suppose that if the behaviors weren’t so deeply ingrained, all it would have taken is a half-dozen internet quizzes.

Friday, February 11, 2005 3:01:08 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00) | Comments [5] | #
Friday, February 11, 2005 10:30:55 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Sigh...
And I swear some days our group of friends must intersect...

But yes... I understand your point.. I have a friend who just doesn't get it... unless life hits him hard enough. But I still try to help... sigh....
pmcomeau
Friday, February 11, 2005 10:42:44 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
It is possible...you live in the Twin Cities area, you seem pretty fannish,a nd I'm fairly certain you've said things that lead me to believe that you are a sometime attendee of ConVergence and MISfits type events...I would be pretty surprised to find we don't have some people in common.

At least, I'm pretty sure we both know "Connie" :-)

Trees
Saturday, February 12, 2005 1:28:30 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
The fact remains that there ARE people who need to hear what you have to say. OK, maybe YOU don't have to be the "designated messenger", but often someone does...

Evidence. I was not able to lose weight until some asshole told me I was weak and had a better chance of being struck by lightening. He was wrong but it provided effective motivation nonetheless; that was 60 lbs. and almost ten years ago.

Someone else I know, a great friend, was going through some scary-ass mood swings, and I thank GOD I had the "arrogence" to call her on it & tell her she needed help. Turns out she had a medical problem- thyroid related. Without the help, I THINK we'd still be friends, and I THINK she'd still be married, but who can say for sure? Her health problems would certainly be worse.

I just hope that there will always be someone "arrogent" enough to call me on it when they think I'm screwing up. I'm a big girl. Once I calm down, I can evaluate whether or not it was a valid call.

Yes- that person doesn't have to be you. Yes, that person won't always be right; but what if they are? What if all of our loving friends avoided verbalizing a potentially harmful "truth", for fear of being offensive?

Trees, I am proud to call you my friend. Now, I don't want to have to beg, but PLEASE keep calling the truth as you see it. Even when you're wrong.
Sue
Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:41:47 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
OK...um...I wasn't clear enough...

but thank you, Sue. As always, the ass kicking is appreciated.

What I failed to say is that while you should tell the truth and especially tell your friends when you think their wrong...they will either get it or they won't. If they do and everythng is happy...then great. Beers and cheerleaders of their preferred gender for everyone...but if they don't...there's probably a reason. It's probably bigger and meaner than you are...so *sometimes* it is better to back off, and give them some time.

I don't think it's arrogant to think your opinion matters...but it is arrogant to think that people have to make the changes you want them to make, and on your schedule...which is the trap I fell into in a couple of places here.

And, just so we're clear and I give credit where credit is due, I'm the friend with the thyroid problem. I would not still be married, and we would most likely not be friends because the nurse practitioner who finally diagnosed my condition told me that I was most likely at the point of one of these days just going to sleep and not waking up. When you can't get your heart-rate above 75 beats/minute...that's a problem. So, you saved my life, and you've pretty much earned the "Sue's talking, I'm shutting up now and LISTENING" place in my life.

You telling me to get help or else was not arrogance, it was desperation and love. The doctor who told me, seven years before that to stop making up excuses like a possible thyroid condition and just eat less and show some will-power and backbone was arrogant....becasue he was so sure he knew what someone else needed, he couldn't conceed that he could be wrong even enough to order a simple blood test that would have saved us all a lot of pain and suffering.

And that's the arrogance I am referring to.
Trees
Sunday, February 13, 2005 10:45:57 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Sue speaking for everyone here at Casa del Wagner, thanks for booting Trees in the ass. Without it we wouldnt have one of our best friends of all time, our eventual kids (Gods help us all) would be out a really cool and badass auntie and the fiction reading world would miss out on some bitchin product. So thanks
Bob
Bob Wagner
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