"Real meaning of life...stuff" - Daniel Jackson
Sunday, February 27, 2005

     I recently joined an on-line group for mothers.  I had been part of such groups before, but they just weren’t for me.  I met a couple nice people, but by-and-large it just didn’t work out.

     But for some unfathomable reason I missed it, so I joined another one.  Now, I remember why I left the first couple I was in:

     “Women” bore and annoy me.  Specifically, the methods by which women form, maintain and perpetuate communities annoy me.  Women in general are OK.  Don’t get me wrong, I’m a woman.  Some of my best friends are women.  It’s just women’s organizations have me foaming at the mouth in about 3.5 seconds.

     I guess the main reason is that things have to be kept civil at all costs…any group of women simply must have an orthodoxy that cannot be challenged or crossed in any way.  You are free to think what you like and do what you like, but don’t talk about it here.  If you can’t say something orthodox, then stay quiet or at least say something harmless and meaningless. 

     Now, you might say that goes for any social gathering, and generally that’s true.  Small talk is the order of the day in such situations as parties or family gatherings or whatever…but I don’t join news groups for small talk.  Small talk is a necessary evil.  It’s a way of passing time with people and getting through situations as pleasantly as possible.  It’s also BORING.  OhmiGodsoboring.

     And the big rub seems to be that anything that’s actually worth talking about will eventually become “controversial”.  Even if it doesn’t touch on politics or religion, it will become controversial.

     So we have these conversations going on, and other than amusing anecdotes about kids and husbands…It’s mind-numbingly dull.  Cleaning tips, home remedies that each person swears by, how to make the kids do this or that or the other thing – Snore and Drool.

     But every once in a while a topic comes up that engages people in real conversation.  People are getting into it, and bringing research and information and differing viewpoints to the group – and then “some people” get uncomfortable, and the thread is killed.

     It’s not because people were getting abusive.  It’s not because erroneous information was being disseminated.  It’s because people felt that their philosophy of parenting was being challenged, or their political or religious beliefs or whatever.

     Doesn’t matter if they actually were.  It only matters that they felt they were…or my personal favorite:  Someone thought that the conversation was going in a direction where someone *might* feel uncomfortable.

     Boom, thread is killed, and we go back to “I make a tea out of rose hips”…”me too, but I add rose petals  as well” … “Oh you guys, don’t forget to use distilled water to make your tea”…

     A conversation in which I don’t even know how many women all sound like variations on the same theme - different shades of grey.

     Ugh.

     Now, I get that they have a right to whatever kind of community they want, and if I don’t like it, I should leave.  I’m going to pretty soon here.  One of these days I’m going to get tired of having my in-box filled with drivel and I’m going to get out.

     And no, I wasn’t a part of ANY of the controversies.  I didn’t start any…I didn’t add to any.  I just pretty much watched from the side lines.  These women are so far off from me and the way I think and the way I see life, that I just sort of made small talk and tried to blend in when I could and kept my mouth shut the rest of the time.  I don’t believe in going into someone else’s community and fouling the waters just because they annoy me. 

     But I really would like to be part of a community of women.  Most days I’m fine with being a freak.  Most days, I wouldn’t want it any other way.  But some days it would be nice to be part of something bigger…like you know…society?  Every once in a while I forget and try to join the human race…only to be reminded I’m an alien.  And that makes me grumblycranky.

     Luckily, I think my current “need-to-join-a-group-phase” has run it’s course, and I can get back to normal now for a little while.

     At the very least, it’s a Kung Fu day today.  Hittin’ things is good.

Sunday, February 27, 2005 9:48:34 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00) | Comments [6] | #
Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:26:41 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Sweety, change a few words here n there and you just expressed my thoughts on a lot of the local poly community stuff. All I can say is thank The Gods there are a few people in the group who arent some combination of hyper-sensitive, game-playing looney-toon.
Bob Wagner
Monday, February 28, 2005 6:45:02 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Most artificially formed groups seem to do that. If you're people who come together because you have just one thing in common, pretty soon that gets tiresome to talk about, and then you might find out that you have nothing in common.

The best group for moms that I've found online happened because I ran into someone else who was the mother of two small fry while playing a MMORPG called Runescape. We have had much fun playing and discussing potty training et al. while near groups of pre-teens. :)
Kaji
Monday, February 28, 2005 9:06:40 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
{insert clever comment here}

I can't think of anything useful to say about this topic. I might try and point out the uselessness of this sort of thing by playing it up. Tell them you're uncomfortable about discussions that touch on distilled water of making tea, or discussions that have to do with children, or something. But then again, I'm a renowned smart ass and pain in the butt.
The Evil Cub
Monday, February 28, 2005 12:23:15 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
The wonderful thing about the web and blogs is that you can start YOUR OWN community and it can be anything you want it to be. So go start one where mindless drivel is not allowed. There may be millions of women (and maybe even some men) who want to join.
Mark
Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:21:30 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
There's nothing wrong with mindless drivel as long as it's the "right" sort. I bet if I raved on in the rose-hip tea group about 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' they'd be annoyed with me, while here it would be given an amused tolerance. :)

Totally irrelevant, too early in the morning. That's me!

Kaji
Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:29:44 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Kaji,

Well, a certain amount of mindless drivel is part of any conversation...you can't be "meaningful" all the time...but I guess the thing I get bummed about is that this group all agree on everything all the time, and they do it by not really saying anything that challenges their perceptions, and by not allowing others to do so either.

I mean, it's possible to push boundaries on any topic...even rose hip tea. What temp should the water be, how long should you leave it...whatever...

It's not so much the topics that bother me...it's the enforcement of conformity the narrowness of the boundaries, and the methods of enforcement (passive agressive) that really make me grumbly. While you can't be engaging and steeped in meaning all the time, you also can't be bland, innocouous and conformist all the time either...

I'm thinking more about this topic, so there'll probably be another post sometime soon.
kemaris
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