Folding, spindeling, and mutilating lauguage for fun since Aug, 2004
Monday, August 04, 2008

I hope this wasn't arson as well.


Let's get this straight:  Arson is really bad.  Political arson is about as dangerously uncivil as you can get. 

Yes....even if they are stirring up hate and encouraging, inciting and celebrating murder.

Even if they insult honorable millitary service, and publicly abuse the bereaved families of service members.

Even if they preach hate and intolerance.  Even if they abuse children by brainwashing them into a cultish mentality that makes it impossible for them to function in a modern society

You might argue that they deserve to ge their compound burned down.  And that may be, I don't feel qualified to decide what people deserve (although I will occasionally use the word in a case of hyperbole).

But if someone DID set fire to the Phelps compound in the dead of night, they should ask themselves these questions:

 

1) What lack of self-respect do you have that you have to go to your enemies in the dark of night and set fire to their property while they sleep?  Don't you have the courage of your convicitons?  For God's sake stand up and be counted.  Don't act like a worm.

 

2)What will it accomplish?  Do you think it will change what the Bible says?  Do you think it will change their belief that it is the word of God?  Do you think that somehow this will deter them from demanding that the government kill homosexuals? Do you think it will frighten them?  They're religious zelots.  Their religious beliefs are more important than their own lives, the lives of their children, their well being, and their mental health.  They've already sacrificed everything they are including their own sense of their own self-worth to their religion.  All you will do is further entrench them.  They have a mission from God to make the country comply with Biblical law.  Do you think a scorched garage is going to deter them?  No.  It will only harden their resolve, and encourage them into thinking they have hit a nerve.  It will rally them to more viggerous action.

Their religious beliefs have wired them to be REWARDED by "persecution".  That's why they seek it out, happily recount every instance, real or imagined, that they can find.  They invite it because it validates them and tells them they are on the right track.  They celebrate it because it makes them feel special, and they recount ever instance of it they can find because it binds them together in a community of the "special persecuted rightous" brotherhood of the Godly.

In other words, if this was arson, you are helping them.  Stop it.

 

3)  What so you think this does to our country and the current state of discourse?  You know...all you're going to do is make them objects of sympathy to their religious bretheren.  People who currently sympathize with them, but were on the side-lines are likely to finally throw in and come to their defense.  You would be making the problem worse.

 

4) If you are a Christian "defending" your religious beliefs...God help you.  You just became the other side of the same coin.

 

(Hat Tip: Pharyngula)

Monday, August 04, 2008 7:42:58 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00) | Comments [7] | #
Monday, August 04, 2008 8:46:10 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
There's another possibilty Trees . Phelps and his phlock are a bunch of martyr-complexed headline hoors from what I've observed. Most of their actions seem geared first towards getting media attention and second-if not third or fourth-towards spreading The Word. This could very easily be a self-inflicted action on their part speciffically geared towards getting some attention in the press and firing up the magical musical martyr machine in rest of the far right religious wingnut community. Yes, it would be dishonest, cynical, and frankly rather slimy. In other words, perfect in character for these people. Me, I'm gonna watch the investigation with interest and if it does turn out to be arson I can't WAIT to see just how close to home it all lands.

Bob Wagner
Monday, August 04, 2008 9:01:14 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Bob,

If they lit it themselves, then it's likely that they are desperate to achieve their goals, and no longer trust God to work his will...and feel the need to help him along...

...so we probably won't have to worry about them for much longer. Too bad about the defensless little kids they'll take with them though. I hope that law enforcement can intervene before the Kool-aid gets passed around.
Teresa
Monday, August 04, 2008 9:11:30 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Please join me in extending best wishes to the presumptive Democratic nominee for president of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama, today, on the occasion of his 47th birthday.

Thank you.

--EHR
Monday, August 04, 2008 9:22:59 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Trees, you're right about that. Or they've gotten themselves talked around to where they figure God WANTS them to set themselves on fire and try to pin it on everyone He doesn't like because by martying themselves and their kids they'll be furthering His cause of getting fighting "the gay agenda". Speaking of which, what exactly IS the gay agenda? Tasteful decor and free tickets to Mama Mia for all? But I digress, I just love how nutbars like Phelps and his ilk think the person who lit the pilot light on THE FRAKKIN UNIVERSE needs a thug with a truncheon or a psycho with a gas can to solve a problem They could solve with a thought if They really found it so problematic. Either way I feel bad for those kids. This is starting to smell like Waco all over to me.

Oh and EHR, thanks for the heads up. Me, I'd rather wish the next president of these United States a happy 47th birthday today. By an interesting coincidence, he shares a name, address, social security number and wife with the gentlemen you named.

Fingers crossed
Bob Wagner
Monday, August 04, 2008 9:25:34 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
I, too, will offer happy birthday wishes to honorary Irishman Barry O'Bama.

Today's You Are Dumb has a marvelous and relevant Obama essay -

http://www.youaredumb.net
Monday, August 04, 2008 1:26:56 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
I am with Bob on this, I wouldn't discount the idea of the fire originating at the hands of a church member.
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:43:44 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
John,

Yeah, but Id rather not think about that, since it fits and even scarier and more dangerous profile than if it had been set by a disgruntled enemy.

Teresa
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