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Thursday, 01 February 2007

Just out of curiosity, does anyone here watch anything that involves Rosie O'donell?  Where are people (rightist wing-nuts) getting all their information about what she says and when she says it?

Does anyone outside of the right-wing watch her at all?

If you don't watch anything with Rosie O'donnel, when was the last time you remember seeing her say anything?

The last time I saw her was in a clip on the Colbert Report making a bigoted ass of herself.

In fact, the most exposure I get to her is being accused of parroting her when I comment on righty blogs.

Since I'm usually espousing some priciple I got from reading Thomas Jefferson, or Thomas Paine, or George Washington or Abraham Lincoln, I figure she must be a LOT smarter than I ever gave her credit for.  (Although my favorite had nothing to do with Rosie it was in an e-mail list I used to belong to.  I paraphrased a quote from Abraham Lincoln and someone called me a commie.  I produced the whole quote (which was on my bookmarked page) and asked him who said it.  He replied tht it must have been Carl Marks or Chairman Mao.  I told him it was Abraham Lincoln, and he called me a liar.  Wing Nuts are so much fun.)

Anyway, do you see Rosie?  If so, where, and if so, what do you think of her?  Do you consider yourself to be left or right?  What views of hers do you like, and which you you dislike?  Any that you hate?

[Update: Here is a link to the Rosie website Jamie recommended.

[Update:  This is from the Wikipedia entry on Rosie O'donell:

Clay Aiken / Kelly Ripa Controversy

On November 20, 2006, O'Donnell raised controversy when she commented on Live with Regis and Kelly co-host Kelly Ripa's actions during a taping of her own show. Ripa and guest co-host Clay Aiken bantered causing Aiken to jokingly put his hand over Ripa's mouth, as if to stop her from talking, while she was conducting an interview. Seeing that Ripa didn't appreciate his joke, Aiken said, "Oh, I'm in trouble." Ripa responded, "No, I just don't know where that hand's been, honey." Ripa's comment caused O'Donnell to call Ripa a homophobe, saying "Now listen, to me that was a homophobic remark. If that was a straight man, if that was a cute man, if that was a guy that she didn't question his sexuality, she would have said a different thing". Within minutes, Ripa was on the phone, responding to O'Donnell's comments and defending her reactions to the mouth-covering incident by saying she was concerned as it was in fact "cold and flu season" and Aiken had been shaking hands with audience members before the show. According to Barbara Walters, both O'Donnell and Ripa have spoken and moved on from the incident. Aiken, who has declined to publicly discuss his sexuality, did not comment.

"Ching-chong" controversy

On December 5, 2006, O'Donnell raised controversy when she mocked spoken Chinese. The comment was made in reference to the publicity a November 29, 2006 appearance on The View by Danny DeVito had garnered. O'Donnell implied that she was amazed the controversy had become such a prevailing topic,[13] suggesting that it was being talked about as far away as China. "You know, you can imagine in China it's like, 'Ching-chong, ching-chong. Danny DeVito. Ching-chong, ching-chong-chong. Drunk. The View. Ching-chong.'"[14]

The remarks sparked considerable media backlash, with some labeling O'Donnell as a hypocrite, given her stance against any kind of homophobic taunting or jokes. [15] O'Donnell later said, "To anyone who was offended at my Chinese, Asian, pseudo-Japanese, sounded a little Yiddish accent that I was doing, you know, it was never [my] intent to mock, and I'm sorry for those who felt hurt or were teased on the playground." She followed up the statement by warning those offended that she may do it again, saying, "But I'm also gonna give you a fair warning that there's a good chance I'll do something like that again, probably in the next week — not on purpose. Only 'cause it's how my brain works.""[16][17]

Thursday, 01 February 2007 22:45:36 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00) | Comments [11] | #
Friday, 02 February 2007 09:54:15 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
I haven't seen her much but then I do my best to actively avoid her as I consider her a repugnant human being and general disgrace to liberalism. You know me Trees, there's stuff Im further to the left than you on. Difference is I don't check my brain at the door when I get into my politics which cannot generally be said for Ms O'Donnel. In her own way she's just as much an incendiary wing-nut as any foamer on the right.

Bob Wagner
Friday, 02 February 2007 11:19:58 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
I can’t really say that I’m left or right, I fall somewhere in the middle. I personally think that it’s funny how people judge others they don’t really know. I’m not saying that I’m a personal friend of Rosie O’Donnell but I do have a lot of respect for her. She’s currently a co-host on the daytime T.V. talk show “The View” and I watch it as often as I can. Besides risking her career by coming out of the closet and actively supporting any LGBT cause she could find, Rosie has at least three charitable foundations under the Rosie Foundation. One of her organizations supplied many homes to victims of hurricane Katrina and the other two are theater-based which helps underprivileged youth obtain the funds to pursue careers in theater. As far as her intelligence is concerned –BTW intelligence is overrated- she is well versed in many different subjects that the talk show covers and I’ve heard that she studies a topic vigorously before that show airs. I really feel like throwing up when I hear someone talk about a person they don’t know much about. Furthermore, Trees –if that’s how you want to be identified- try not to judge a person from a clip on a show as ridiculous as The Colbert Report, that show is not worth watching no less expounding upon.
-Oh and she’s not a bigot-

Seek Peace,
Jamie
Friday, 02 February 2007 14:27:04 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Well, I don't have an opinion on Rosie, but I do think that the Colbert Report is worth watching. Even though you need to take everything said with a grain of salt (as with any news show), it is still a way to hear about the news in an entertaining fashion. Also, it lets you exercise your own intellect by picking the 'truth' out from the satire.

(BTW "Trees" is just short for Teresa; which coincidentally took me a really long time to figure out...I couldn't understand why there was a portion of a forest at the bottom of every Email...)
Friday, 02 February 2007 14:29:04 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Jamie,

Well, like I said, I don't know that much about her (hence the request for information)...but it was very difficult to come up with a flattering explination as to why she was making that obscene face and making sterotypical sounds and quite obviously mocking the Chinese language. That seemed pretty bigoted to me. Perhaps if she had thought it though more, she would not have chosen to do it. Hey, if we don't think about what we do, sometimes our prejudices come out even if they are things we wish we didn't have. The best we can do is try.

I wasn't judging her...just her behavior at that moment, which I have yet to hear anyone offer the slightest reasonable explination for. Just because she made an ass of herself one time doesn't mean she IS an ass. And that is what I hope to find out by asking the question.

As for the Colbert Report, it is hysterically funny, and much, much better than the O'Reilly factor, which it makes fun of. At least the Colbert Report doesn't pretend to be informing people, which The Factor does.
Teresa
Friday, 02 February 2007 14:56:20 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
I understand wanting information but calling someone a bigot is a pretty harsh thing to say about a person from a T.V. clip especially not knowing the context of that clip. Or maybe I am little too optimistic as Karen says. I just know that theres not a ton of people doing good things out there and if we attack those who are, then who's left?

Regarding the Colbert Report, To each his own. I don't find every part of the news funny and while I can take it at times, I don't find his rants against homosexual's funny either especially in this day and age. I might be too serious but I am firmly holding on to the little sense that I have left and I can't pollute it in any way.

Again, Seek Peace,
Jamie
Friday, 02 February 2007 14:59:04 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
BTW check out Rosie.com and then tell me she's not an angel.

Jamie
Saturday, 03 February 2007 00:09:25 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
James,

You do realize that "The Colbert Report" is a deliberate and scathing parody of the shows hosted by right-wing propagandists, right? He's mocking critters like Bill O'Reilly, John Gibson, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and so on. He's stealing their thunder by satirizing them.
Saturday, 03 February 2007 19:04:14 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
So...Rosie was acting as a bigot when she did her Asian parody. So...shall we say the same thing about Garrison Keillor on Prairie Home Companion? He and his crew just did a parody of a foreign customer support operator. It was pretty bad...but pretty funny. I'd imagine that the Rosie thing was too.
Saturday, 03 February 2007 20:12:49 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
I didn't find the Rosie thing funny at all. First of all, she wasn't doing a voice character, she was making meaningless noises like people typically use in a derogatory way to demean Asians. Not just doing an Asian accent to play a voice character, but specifically chooseing an obvious and common slur, and then going on and on with it for a terrible amount of time.

Secondly, the expression on her face was an exaggerated "dumb" face, wrinked nose, lip pulled back to imply bucked teeth.

I'm not saying she meant to hurt anyone, and I'm not saying that she is a bigoted person, but in that particular instance, she was, in my opinion, makeing a bigoted ass out of herself by displaying that behavior.

I can't comment on the Garrison Keillor thing, not having heard it, and I'm sure that there are people who can take offense at anything, but at the very least people should try to avoid the seriously obvious stuff.

When they don't they should be called on it,and like Rosie did, they should apologize.
Teresa
Sunday, 11 February 2007 00:05:09 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
I spoke a bit more with James about this particular incident. He is a religious (in the sense of regular) watcher of "The View". He saw the episode in question. As an otherwise very P.C. sensitive black gay man, he did not see the incident as bigoted, and said that in the context, it was appropriate. Apparently Rosie was doing a loose quote of someone else, which was clear in context. He’s certain that no one who had seen the entire segment and the context would have considered it offensive. I don't know. I didn't see it. I think that James was upset for these reasons:

1) A judgment was made based on a clip out of context and amplified in a public forum.
2) He's particularly sensitive to the word "bigot" and can’t forgive its use in such a way.
3) He considers Rosie a good person and doesn't want to see her attacked, especially since she wasn’t trying to hurt anyone.

I also think that James was not reading the same reasonableness in Teresa's posting as I was. I suspect that those of us who know Teresa personally are better able to understand her point of view. The way I read it, Teresa acknowledged that she might not have complete information and that she wasn't trying to make a character attack, but was commenting on the little that she knew. I think that James was hoping for a total retraction and apology. I don’t think that James will ever be able to see Teresa’s post as legitimate because of the way that it is phrased.

I personally tend to fall on the side that if someone just saw that short segment of Rosie’s imitation, then that particular action of stereotyping could be considered inappropriate, but when viewed in context, it is OK. Similarly one could say for example, that the action of a man hitting a woman (or the other way around, for that matter) is an inappropriate action. However, if one is able to see that it is in the context of a Kung Fu match and not domestic abuse, then it is context appropriate, and no one should feel offended on the "victim's" behalf.


Incidentally, I have observed a lot of ‘imitation German’, particularly from comedians – none of which makes any sense, and is usually delivered in a stereotypically authoritarian/military manner - and no one seems to get all that offended. (For those who are wondering; there is no semantic relation between the Volkswagen phrase “Fahrvergnügen” and the pop culture adaptation “Farfrompüken”.) Perhaps they should get offended, though. The use of such stereotypical imitation insists on associating all Germans with the Nazis and such caricatures as the guards in the various WWII movies.

Actually, movies are a forum where “fake” language was used for foreigners a lot until recently. One more often sees real language used in movies set in other countries, rather than gibberish. Even today, though, people do pretty tasteless stuff in the name of comedy. Did anyone else think that the cannibal savage scene in the second Pirates of the Caribbean movie was off-color? I thought that the use of idiot talk for the islander language was distasteful.
Sunday, 11 February 2007 08:26:44 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Karen,

Well, I find the T.V. show Hogan's Heros to be offensive and bigoted for the same reasons, but I guess most people find it hysterical, so maybe I'm just too sensitive about ethnic sterotypes.

In my experiance, the "ching-chong ching-chong" thing is a common slur. It is used by people who also use the word "chink" and can bash in someone's head with a crow-bar just for being Vietnamese. Using it brings up a lot of really bad historical connotations, and I'm not even Asian.

For instance, while flying the flag of the Confederacy might not make someone a bigot, they can hardly be surprised when someone views it as bigoted behavior, as it is associated with people who have a history of brutality against people of color and Jews and such.

I'm sorry that James can't accept my clarification, from what I've seen of his comments on your blog and from what you've told me, he seems like a swell guy, but I guess that's just the way it is. I don't need for him to like me or agree with me in order to wish him well and be glad he's your friend.
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