"Real meaning of life...stuff" - Daniel Jackson
Thursday, December 13, 2007

You just gotta LOVE good old Neil.

He's got another post up about how there are only three choices when it comes to Jesus;  lunatic, liar, or lord.

The argument is best read in the original weirdness...but I'll summarize it for you:

Jesus cannot be passed off as a great human teacher with some good advice and a good example.  This is because he claimed to be God, and he claimed the scripture (including the Old Testiment) to be the Word of God, and he made many statements to those effects.

Neil goes on to list all of the hard-line intolerant things that Jesus is supposed to have said.  and of course we KNOW it as a FACT that everything in the Bible was written down EXACTLY as God wanted it to be.  So it isn't possible for it to be wrong in any way.

Because by Neil's argument, God (who is comletely consistant) directly supervised the transcription of the Bible.  Every word written is exactly as God wanted it.  Got an inconvenient Bible verse?  Well, don't worry.  It was TRANSLATED innaccuratly.  Because translations aren't God's department, apparently.

So it is completely impossible that the people who wrote the Bible might have written things down wrong, either because they were written a long time after Jesus' death, or because they had political motivations, or because they really believed that Jesus MUST have said something like that, even thought they didn't really know.

Nope, you only have three choices.  You can pity the poor lunatic, Despise the brazen liar, or worship the Jesus of whom you can have no understanding outside of exactly what is written (and the verses about hard-line kick-ass Jesus trump all the verses about lovey-sharey-fluffy-bunny Jesus).  There is no more to Jesus than what is written in the pages of the Bible.  He fits neatly into the hand-written pages of human language.  (The whole "my sheep hear my voice, and I know them" verse must have been one of those "mistranslations")

Bible idolatry at it's best.  It is absolutely unpermissable to look at the Bible as a human work.

Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:42:46 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00) | Comments [6] | #
Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:07:46 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Yeah I read that post this morning. I have so many things to say about it that I can't get all the thoughts together. The verses he quotes are rediculous and contradictory; at least to me.

I've tried commenting on his blog only to get mindless inchoherent ramblings in return. Kind of like my incoherent ramblings to you! ;)

No - I take that back - Not at all like my ramblings to you. Much worse.

You summed it up pretty well. God is consistent, the bible is - and if it isn't it's because of the translation. Amazing...
Mark
Saturday, December 15, 2007 1:37:02 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Teresa
I ran across you on Neil's blog, yours looks very interesting, I shall hang out here a while, and continue to seek illumination. :)
Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:11:59 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Hey Monk,

Welcome! Always good to have a fresh face!

Fair warning, I'm a Deist and a Secularist, so it's a fair bet you'll find yourself feeling insulted at least once. Believe me, it's completely unintentional. I like to hear new perspectives, and can be quite teachable.

Although libertarians, neo-nazis and foaming fundies tend to not think of me as such. :-)
Teresa
Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:16:22 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Teresa,
Unless it is personal, I hardly think that a Deist or Secularist would "insult" me! :)

I look forward to reading this site, I am a pretty Orthodox Christian, but I am not mad about it. ;)
Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:16:30 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Monk,

I try not to get personal. I think you'll get along fine here.

Just curious, are you for real a monk-in-training, or is that more figurative?
Teresa
Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:23:14 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
It is a name that was given to me by a class mate in an Theology class. Actually I am in formation to be a Friar. Similar, but not quite the same.
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