"Real meaning of life...stuff" - Daniel Jackson
Tuesday, September 25, 2007

 “I think the authorities and officials of the university should practice a little more listening to other points of view and listen to things they don’t like to hear.”

                   --crazy-ass theocrat from someone else's country.

Sorry, Ahmadinejad...so very sorry you didn't get the warm, polite reception that you felt you deserved.

It's true, you were an invited speaker, and it's true that the audience should give your thoughts and ideas all the credit they deserve.

Guess what?  They did.  booyah.

Thing is, we've go our own crazy-assed theocrats over here to deny the Holocaust for us, and re-write history and re-define "science" and pave over the homosexuals while simultaneously blaming them for everything that goes wrong...

...and we have to play nice while our politicians make kissy-face with them on the T.V. and act all polite and respectful and not gag openly.

So, why don't you go home and run your little country while we try to keep control of ours?

Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:55:47 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00) | Comments [6] |  | #
Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:17:46 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
I agree that he's a whack job, but it seems like he was set up in an ambush. If he knew he was going to be in a debate in front of a unfriendly crowd, he might have reconsidered and at least not been surprised with the reaction he received. If I receive requests to speak, I generally assume a majority of the audience actually wants to hear what I have to say...
Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:51:00 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Did he receive a request to speak? Or was it he who made the request?

Perhaps he has misjudged our collegiate youth. Perhaps they are not the "useful idiots" he thought them to be...
Mark
Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:28:31 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Dracut,

I wouldn't expect ANY students to sit by and clap politely while someone dredged up old denialist cannards to say the holocaust never happened. It's amazing to me that he would expect that recaction in an academic setting.

Even Ann Coulter hasn't tried holocaust denial (yet). And she doesn't get a free pass on her hatefulness when she's invited to speak.

I don't think Ahmadinejad himself was attacked. It was his ideas that were derided and mocked. You shouldn't go to a university with worn out old and repeatedly discredited ideological rubbish and expect to be treated with kid gloves.

Mark,

It is easy to see why he would think that, though, with the "liberal media" falling all over themselves to tell everyone what limp-noodle mindless liberals the effete intellectual elite are.
Teresa
Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:08:00 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
The interview with him was quite surreal. The questions were basically just White House talking points, and his answers talked around the questions in a rather mealy-mouthed way rather than smacking them down. It was as though interviewer and interviewee were competing to see who could out-weasel the other.
Friday, September 28, 2007 7:23:55 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
I'm glad that he came. I think that it is important to hear "the enemy's" point of view, directly from said person. That way, we can know whether we hate him because we're told to or because of what he actually has to say.

I think that everyone has the right to say what they want to. However, this goes both ways. Ahmadinejad should be listened to by those attending his speech (attendees needn't clap when they disagree). Then he should be soundly rebutted when he says something that doesn't hold up to scrutiny or that encourages hate. That's the way that free speech and dialog work best, I think.
Friday, September 28, 2007 8:01:52 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Karen,

One of the things I've observed about the ideas he promotes, however, is that they are extremely resistant to debate. Not because they are sound ideas, but because they are based on an outright opposition to logic, fact, and even reason.

Denialism is not debate. In fact, it is completely in opposition to debate...as the debates have already happened, and they are re-initializing debate without providing new information. They are merely re-arrainging their rhetoric.

Holocaust denial, global climate change denial, Evolution denial, etc. Are fundimentally antithetical to debate. It's one side sticking it's fingers in it's ears when it's explained to them that they are losing the "debate" over and over again, because they just keep the same arguments over and over (occasionally changing vocabulary, but not substance)...and then crying "foul" when the other side says they don't want to play anymore.

It is true that it is good that he was able to come where we could hear for ourselves the things he says and judge them...but unless he has some new knowledge or scholorship to bring to the issues, I don't think that "dabate" is a correct term for what would happen.

It just gives unearned legitamacy to the ideas. Let him come, let him speak, but don't pretend it's a debate, and don't force the students and faculty to show respect for something that isn't debate, but is instead simply a recitation of ideas and arguments that have already been thoroughly, repeatedly, and soundly discredited, add nothing new to the argument, and supply the foundation for a social doctrine that promotes the idea of racial warfare and genocide.
Teresa
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