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Friday, August 22, 2008

One of the fundie blogs I read had a link to this article.

Here, the author uses a single article (which does no original research) to conclude that The vaccination against the HPV is not only not necessary, but also very likely ineffective.  The person then implies some unspecified dark and foreboding threat to the effect that “the left” (apparently, we’re organized, would someone please send a copy of our agenda to our politicians in Congress?  They seem to have lost theirs.)

First, about the implications of a dark and lurk-y agenda on the left for inoculating all girls by age 12; AND the objection that it won’t do anything about the virus spawning new forms of vaccine-resistant virus.

The second objection answers the first.  The virus can only create mutated versions of itself if it reproduces.  It can only reproduce if it infects someone.  If there is no-one to infect, viola!  No new forms of the cancer-causing virus.  Small pox is an example.  Eradication techniques were not limited to reaching critical levels of herd immunity, but it was the center piece of the effort.

Another objection (#3)is that the vaccine might not provide life-long immunity.  In other words…you might need a booster shot.  HORRORS!  I guess we should eliminate all shots where you need a booster from the mandatory shot list.

Another objection (#4)is that there are several strains of the virus, and the strains that this vaccine covers  might take over its ecological niche, and become cancer-causing and ubiquitous.

Well, if we are going to allow the fact that some other virus might eventually come to make us sick if we treat the ones that are making us sick right now, we might as well just give up on all of them.  There’s always another virus.  Where are all of the fundamentalists railing against flu shots?  You have to take one EVERY YEAR to benefit, after all, and sometimes you still get the flu.

Objection #5 is that it is expensive.  You think a shot is expensive?  Try cancer.  A good friend of mine has recently completed a fairly modest and standard treatment for breast cancer (lumpectomy, radiation, Tamoxifen).  She has insurance, but the costs that she was still responsible for would have wiped out many families.

Cancer is incredibly expensive in terms of individual expenses, lost worker productivity, and as a burden on the health system (no matter if it is a public system or a private system, the cost is ultimately born by all of us…weather we all pay for everyone, or if we price ourselves out of our ability to pay through competing for available resources).  It is very resource-intensive to treat.  If we want to make it affordable to treat the people who WILL get sick, we have to first stop people getting sick wherever possible.

Objection #6 isn’t in this article, but it has come up in some others: women will stop getting pap smears.  That seems unlikely.  Pap smears are a standard part of the yearly exam, which also includes a manual check for breast cancer, and ovarian cancer, among other things.  Both of these are amply scary enough to keep women coming back year after year.  Not to mention that the yearly exam usually includes non-reproductive general health checks.  Do people think that just because women lower their risk of cervical cancer by a significant margin, they will think their heart is just fine too? Bah, humbug.

Friday, August 22, 2008 6:06:20 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00) | Comments [8] | #
Friday, August 22, 2008 7:33:15 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
These are people that think the earth is 6000 years old and that the sun revolves around it. You don't actually expect them to understand immunology, do you? ;)
Friday, August 22, 2008 7:58:27 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Alan,

Well, it would be a start if they realized that they DIDN'T understand it, and learned about it, rather than talking about how those who understand it must be evil plotters bent on the destruction of Western Civilization.

And frankly, if a middle-class housewife in the mid-west with a B.A. in English and History and no classes in science of any kind for about 20 years can understand it well enough to answer their arguments, they really have no excuse.
Teresa
Friday, August 22, 2008 8:47:57 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Of course they do Trees

A)If it's not in The Bible it's either a tool of "Thuh Daaayyyyvvvuullll!!!!" or junst science perpetrated by a secret clique of pinko commie liberal conspirators out to brainwash our children, convert everyone to radical jihadist Islam and tastefuly redecorate our homes.

B)The existence of cervical cancer is proof that women are lesser people than men. Men don't get cervical cancer. Ergo men don't die from it. Women do. Ergo God obviously wants women to have shorter life spans. Cogito sum, Pax Vobiscum, makalakaho makachanihay pursuit of cures or immunizations of cervical cancer are against His holy design.

C )You're a woman. Therefore your thinking is flawed as you are an illogical, emotional creature who had no business going to college in the first place. If God had meant for you to think or question the reasoning of males He would not have given you boobies. Now be a good girl, go crank out a few more babies and while you're at it fix your man some eggs and toast.


Walking away SO grateful I'm relatively safe behind miles of fiber optic cable after writing C

hehehehe
Bob Wagner
Friday, August 22, 2008 10:28:48 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
It also impresses me how those screaming against this vaccine ignore the fact that it can affect men too. The very first comment on the article that you linked to on August 15 is as follows:

"It affects men too. I am lacking my left index finger below the first joint due to a HPV induced cancer."

I think that everyone should get immunized!
Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:56:39 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Well garsh Karen, doncha know that men who get infect with HPV are probably closet homer-sexshuls and thats just Gods judgement on them for secretly liking boys (coughcoughclergy/altarboycoughcough) and letting their wimminfolk do unGodly things like read and speak in public and crank out less than eight babies in nine years. Dincha get the MEMO?

I swear to all I worship and hold dear that for all my belief that the world has a lot of joy and good and some very awesome people-yourself and Trees to name but two- it also seems some days to be hip deep in mental defectives like this idiot or the woman who started up World Hoop Day as a way to "help" disadvantaged kids. Poverty! Genocide! Drug addiction! Sexual exploitation! The solution? HULA HOOPS!

And no, I'm not making it up. I wish I was but I'm not.
Bob Wagner
Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:32:17 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Based on their website and a couple of others, it doesn't sound like Annie O'Keeffe thinks that she's solving the world's problems with hula hoops. It sounds like she's just trying to bring some joy into the lives of disadvantaged children. Frankly, I think that there's something to that. Studies show that children with ample food and water do worse than those with love. I think that there does need to be a wholistic approach to dealing with world problems. Sure, education and immunization are a huge part of it, but mental health does need to be a part of it too. Here's a quote from http://www.worldhoopday.com/Home_Page.php :

"There are many aid organizations who provide food and medical relief, but what about the mental welfare of a child who grows up too quickly and hardly has a reason to smile or play or just be a child?"

If hula hoops help build community, which is a first step to healthy, gang-free societies, then why not? I'll keep sending my money for food and education, but I won't condemn a woman for trying to bring some joy when the kids have been fed.
Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:38:42 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Let me clarify: Children with love do better than those with JUST ample food and water; however they of course also need to have their nutritional needs met!
Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:45:26 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Fair enough Karen. To me though, it comes across as a bunch of feel-good, don't-really-do-anything-about-it move. I know all about not having your emotional needs met but this still gets right up my ass. Personal opinion, we're each entitled to our own.
Cheers!
Bob
Bob Wagner
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