"Real meaning of life...stuff" - Daniel Jackson
Tuesday, January 30, 2007

A caller on MPR just questioned the conventional wisdom that a volunteer army is really more motivated than an army that was filled by other means (meaning, I assume, the draft).

 

He said that he thought that most people who joined up had limited options and/or were joining up for benefits that they would receive after their term of service, and were not really motivated by their patriotism.

 

I know three people who have joined the military post-nine-eleven, and two who were in before.

 

One of them joined due to patriotism, believed in the war, and specifically believed in the mission in Iraq.  He put his life on hold, and put his ass on the line for what he believed, and he has my undying respect because of it.

 

One is a former active duty person who originally joined for patriotic reasons because he believed in the mission of the military in general, and still does.  He is not in favor of the war in Iraq, but is re-activating to meet an active duty milestone to achieve better retirement benefits.  Though he was not in favor of going in to Iraq in the first place, and even though his primary motivation for re-activating is financial, he is absolutely committed to finishing the mission and getting the job done so we can leave.  He's always had my respect, but it's double now.

 

One is a young kid who is absolutely star-struck by the Marines.  I don't know his position on the politics of the Iraq war, but my sense is that he is committed to the military objective of defending the country independent of whether the Iraq war is right or not.  Once again, hats off.  He's a fine young man.  His foster father's pride is well-placed.

 

I know two national guardsman who had joined before 9/11.

 

One is in Iraq, a patriot who wanted to defend his country and do good work.  He also liked the extra money for his family.  He served in Bosnia with pride, and did his best because he thought it was a good thing to do.  He appears to be luke-warm on Iraq, but chose to go despite the fact that he could have gotten out of it.  He didn't want to let his unit go without him.  He's committed to his unit, his country, and the larger mission of the military.  He's a good man and his family's pride is well placed.

 

The other is not in Iraq as far as I know.  I don't know where he is deployed.  He's been balls-to-the-wall National Guard for as long as I know, and most likely always will be.  He was kind of annoying when we were growing up (maybe too much like a brother), but wherever he is, I wish him well and I'm proud of him.

 

 

Just from my personal impressions from the interactions I've had and things friends and family have told me about these guys, I would say that, anecdotaly anyway, you can't make that sort of characterization about the intentions and motivations of military personnel.

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:28:59 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00) | Comments [4] | #
Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:45:09 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Gee - No comments on this post. I believe it may have something to with the fact that most of the readers of your blog are very liberal and do not believe in the war _and_ have a lot of respect for you. So they are stuck when trying to come up with something positive to say to your comments.

I am a right leaning thinker on politics and policies. Believe it or not, I do not believe we should've gone to war in Iraq. They did not attack us and were not involved in 9/11. If we were going to war on a country, it should've been Saudi.

Anyway... I just thought it was peculiar that no comments were presented on this post. By the way, I too believe that the men and women who put their lives on the line for us by serving in the armed services deserve our respect and admiration - they certainly have mine.
Mark
Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:05:03 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Mark,

Thanks for your kind words, but a number of the people who read my blog are what some would call liberal (though they might not call themselves that)and ex-millitary so they would not be at a loss as to what to say.

I often go for many posts without any comments. I can only assume that people just think I said it all and have nothing to add. (at least, that's what I tell myself to avoid feeling lonely and abandoned) :-)

I didn't think we should have gone to war in Iraq, but I DO suspect that we would have had to go there eventually. Iraq did not attack us, and they couldn't have at the time we invaded...but Saddam definately wanted to become capable, and with the cheating going on with the oil for food program, he would eventually have gotten that capability.

But I remain convinced that it was the wrong war at the wrong time, and it hurt our ability to prosecute the real war on terror.

I was all for Afghanistan, for instance.
Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:56:03 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
You're welcome! I'm new to your blog. I noticed many of your views lean to the left. Perfect for me, becuase I lean to the right and I absolutely _love_ intellectual debate and your comments appear intelligent. So naturally I try to stir the pot to get a conversation going. It's when the name calling starts that I have to give up. It always seems to come to that when the person I'm conversing with disagrees with me. So annoying...
Mark
Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:26:21 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Mark,

Well, I can't promise anything, as I tend to be a bit of a combative personality. However, I DO try to keep it to what we in the Marital Arts call "medium touch"...little sting, no real damage. :-)

If I go too far, I usually respond constructively, or at least exsplain myself when called on it.

Most obnoxious comments are intended humerously, and most outrageous comments are hyperbole. If you are unsure, just ask.

Oh yeah, and welcome to my blog.
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