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Thursday, May 15, 2008

There’s this guy whose selling tee-shirts with a picture of curious George on them, and the caption:  Obama in ‘08.

 

Some people are objecting to that based on the idea that it is racist.  Seems to me, that, given the vocabulary of racist speech, it sure looks like the intent of the tee-shirt is racist.

I mean, it is not uncommon in history to refer to non-whites as “monkeys”, or to imply that they are of various “kinds” that are just above monkeys on a hierarchy of beings with Aryans at the top.

If you look at Hitler’s assertion in Mein Kampf, and other examples of the idea that each species only produces its own “kind”*, and read racist literature about the “unnatural” nature of “hybridization” (mating two different species to create a hybrid…like crossing horses and donkeys to produce mules), you can see how comparing Obama to a chimp could be called hate speech.  It could easily be seen as tapping into those old "heirarchy of creation" ideas and implying that Obama is part of some hierarchy of creation  where being a black man puts him just above chimp, but far below a white man.

Then again, I got much amusement from that one website that compared pictures of president Bush to pictures of chimps…and while there’s not a lot of historical precedent for comparing whites to being just above chimps on the pre-natural selection  hierarchical scale of creation…it was certainly mean-spirited and tasteless.  The fact that it’s not part of a long-standing hate tradition doesn’t really help a lot.

The guy producing the tee-shirt says it wasn’t intended to be part of the “each kind produces its own kind” top-down structure of racial bigotry tradition, but was instead merely of the “say something randomly insulting about your political opposition” school like what they did when they compared Bush to a chimp.

So, what do you think?  Hateful?  Or merely rude and tasteless? 

*the current incarnation is called “microevolution”.  Like Hitler, the Intelligent Design people assert that there is no common descent relationship between species, only improvability within species.  Most of the IDiots currently seem to reject the idea that the different human “races” are different species…and they also seem to reject the idea of artificial improvability…so it’s nice to know they agree with Darwinian theory on those two points anyway.

 

Oh yeah, and can someone go over here and tell me if Michael Medved's take on genetics is as warped as PZ Myers says it is?  PZ has some quotes and it seems as though Medved is making a case for the genetic superiority of white Americans because our ancestors came here due to their capacity for risk-takeing (not desperation, not deportation, not the economic incentives offered by some governments), and blacks were brought here by force.

It's unbelieveable to me that a fellow at the Discovery Institute would have such a poor understanding of genetics and history..wait...no it isn't.

It is also not unbelievable to me that an IDiots would blame the Holocaust on ideas that have nothing to do with the theory of natural Selection, but attribute them to the theory anyway, and then go on to spout those same ideas to prove how we are superior to other human beings.

How many different ways can one group of men be wrong about the same thing if they are allowed to contradict themselves?  Eventually, they will find the limit.

Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:34:50 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00) | Comments [6] | #
Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:34:44 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
I would say it falls between hateful and ignorant. You would expect people to know the history of the comparison of African Americans to Monkeys-- a comparison also made to Irishmen by the way:

British Examples contained herein

http://www.nde.state.ne.us/SS/irish/unit_2.html

American Examples here

http://cartoons.osu.edu/nast/images/ignorant_vote50.jpg

You would be surprised what you consider common knowledge of which others are completely ignorant. If teaching has taught me anything, it is that what we consider common knowledge is not all that common. Add to that ignorance the popularity of comparing Bush to a monkey, and this man may simply think turnabout is fair play.

However, I would rank it as hateful if he was aware of the historic representation. But once again I must lament that it is very likely that the man was entirely oblivious.
Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:35:24 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
John,

" a comparison also made to Irishmen by the way:"

Exactly, there was a time when many considered the Irish (and a number of other european ethnicities) to be "non-white".

Some Irishmen were also rounded up and sold into slavery in the Carribean as well.

Historically, white skin hasn't been sufficient to save people from racism of other people with white skin...not if it is economically and politically expedient to recatagorize them.
Teresa
Thursday, May 15, 2008 1:37:51 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
I think the guy selling T-shirts doesn't care what any of us think. I'll bet he's selling quite a few T-shirts and THAT is what he really cares about. The people buying them, well...

Ignorant 70%
Racist 15%
Hateful 15%

I wouldn't wear one on a dare for fear of getting my @$$ kicked.

As for the Medved piece, one commenter (a European) on PZ's blog sums it up very nicely: "Us surviving Europeans stayed behind to confront our problems instead of running away from them like cowards. Therefore, American genes are pretty much the wastebin of our species."

Touche' - There's always two sides.
Mark
Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:12:30 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Mark,

I think you're right (understanding that your percentages are guesses). There is more ignorance and hatefulness and outright racism...but my worry is that ignorance can be turned into racism and hatefulness so easily. I'd say education is the answer, except that even the idea of multicultural education is so unpalitable for most Americans now that I'm not sure it's going to do a lot of good going forward.
Teresa
Monday, May 19, 2008 7:21:52 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Here's what I think: even if I thought the shirt was not racist, I still would refuse to wear it, because it's hurtful to someone else. In other words, things that may not be a big deal to me, may still be a big deal to someone else. If it's hurtful to others, then I don't need to wear it.

Hey, I like your blog. It stimulates some good discussion.
Monday, May 19, 2008 7:33:06 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Dave,

Thanks for your comment, you are always welcome here.

It is sometimes difficult to remember the effect our words can have on others.

Thanks for the reminder.
Teresa
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